RTL Episode 57: Energy Healing with Lisa Thomas
Energy Healing with Lisa Thomas
On today’s episode, I am joined by Lisa Thomas.
Lisa is a sought-after Epigenetics expert, speaker, author, and transformational leader who contributes to society by facilitating accelerated healing. Lisa achieves this within her small group programs, Infinite Opulence - Healing Activation products, and her Soul Awakening (™) Certification for healers. She lives in Los Angeles, California with her husband and family.
In today's episode, we will discuss:
How to heal from trauma, loss and grief
Forgiveness of self and others
Episode 57 Transcript
Josephine Atluri (00:09):
Welcome to Responding to Life. A podcast where we talk about issues relating to health, fertility, and parenthood. On today's episode, I am joined by Lisa Thomas. Lisa is a sought after epigenetics expert, speaker, author, and transformational leader who contributes to society by facilitating accelerated healing. Through the expansion of self-awareness, people are empowered to embrace collaboration and contribute to transforming the future of society. She has helped thousands of people worldwide to achieve their business and life goals by releasing inherited emotional DNA, such as fear of success, fear of failure, anxiety, procrastination, fear of public speaking, false money beliefs, relationship drama, and business stagnation. Lisa achieves this within her small group programs, private coaching, Infinite Opulence Healing Activation products, and her Soul Awakening Method Certification for healers. She lives in LA with her husband and family. Lisa has been featured on Good Morning, Lala Land, Allie & You, Dare to Dream, Inspired Conversations, Spirit Purpose Energy, as well as other stages and podcasts. Her book Mistakes into Money is now available on Amazon.
Josephine Atluri (01:28):
Welcome to the show, Lisa. I'm so excited for us to have our conversation. Ever since we met each other on the So Cal Wellness Expo, I think a month ago, I think we were destined to have our paths cross. So thank you so much for joining me today.
Lisa Thomas (01:43):
I am truly honored and grateful to be with you beautiful Josephine. Thank you for asking me.
Josephine Atluri (01:50):
Oh my pleasure. So I think the best way for us to dive into everything that you can share with us is to start off by talking about your life's work and your passion.
Lisa Thomas (02:01):
Well, I do something unique in the world. It's becoming more common, but I release inherited patterns. And with the intention of this Josephine, is that it really empowers people because we inherited a lot from our lineage and it's not, I mean, we get many good things, our gifts and our talents come through our ancestors, but so do trauma energies and burdens and inherited patterns that just kind of complicate our life. And so as a child, I was veryI was very shut down into my mid twenties because I was born with certain gifts that I didn't know how to express, right? And I just felt that it wasn't safe for me. But as time went on and I became more aware of who I was and took action in that, paying attention to things, then this is really when I was able to step into my work.
Josephine Atluri (03:00):
I'd love for you, Lisa, to go into exactly what different services you provide for people and that way people can get a sense of how they can work with you.
Lisa Thomas (03:15):
Well, how about, how about if I talk a little bit about how this shows up in people's life, right? Because people can work with me one-on-one, Josephine. They can work with me online, right? They can work with me to get certified in my method, but, but really it's about bringing an awareness to people that is something that will help them, right? So the beautiful gift of this, I think besides helping somebody transform their life, is it affects the generations. And many people are very aware, especially if they were born into a difficult family life and or they have siblings or parents that couldn't function well and yet they can, that they were born into this world to make a difference. And they were going to stop generational patterns, but we don't know how to do that oftentimes. And when an inherited pattern is cleared within the epigenetic sets, our emotional DNA, the emotional DNA is a hundred percent based on the life experiences of ancestors. So when that clears, what happens is it clears from both sides of the veil, meaning it clears from everyone that came before you in your lineage, that's either alive or deceased. And it clears from children. It can help release blocks that are preventing us from having what we truly desire in our life.
Josephine Atluri (04:56):
Yeah, no, that really helps. And it's so fascinating to hear you talk about that. I'd love to, you know, a question that came to mind as you were talking, how does one begin to, to recognize that there are these limitations, that there are these patterns in one's life that may come from their childhood, but may come from way before. How do you explain that?
Lisa Thomas (05:25):
Great question. So there are two ways, right? So we inherit things - now that's in our subconscious, all right. We don't, we don't awake one morning and our memory cell and go, oh, this is what it is. But we also, in addition to that, we have traumatic things in our life. You know, who's had a parent or a teacher at school, blame them for something that they didn't do, but you got blamed, but somebody else who, who, who should be blamed got off, well, that creates this feeling of shame. But oftentimes the emotion of shame is inherited. So what happens is, as we, as we go through life and we experience the trouble of life, those things, the subconscious thinks it's protecting us so it traps these things and oftentimes one child can inherit one thing and the other might not, or one becomes awakened in it.
Lisa Thomas (06:21):
They're called informational tags in the epigenetics, and an informational tag can be turned on at any time. It can also be released at any time and, and, and dissipate, but the very best way is to really pay attention. And what I mean by that is what are things that repeat in your life that you don't want to repeat? Now, you might become, you might be aware as an adult, that there's a pattern in the lineage, maybe a mother or a father was divorced twice, right? And then single for the rest of their life. Or maybe there's a pattern of marrying or partnering up with a partner that is abusive. Because what happens is we send out this frequency, vibrational energy, and what it does is it sends it out into the world because it's unconscious and then it attracts people just like us. So at first in a relationship, we think, oh my gosh, this is heaven sent.
Lisa Thomas (07:22):
But really, you know, when it comes to abuse, it's not, it could be that well for a lot of reasons, right? We know that. But these are just patterns that you're going to see as an adult within family dynamics and then really pay attention to things that keep repeating in your life. It can be as simple as the ongoing pattern of being frustrated or, or as a parent, maybe you're getting angry with your children over little things - by the way, that's normal - but it can also be dissipated and, and relaxed so it's not an automatic trigger, but maybe you were raised with a father or a parent who constantly got upset over little things. So it's a learned behavior, and it's an inherited behavior.
Josephine Atluri (08:12):
Okay. That makes sense. Thank you for explaining it that way - that totally made sense to me. So, you know, speaking of, sort of negative patterns and then, and beginning to recognize them, I think that leads into that self-awareness that I see you speak of a lot on your, on your website and, and you know, what are some ways then that we can tap into the self-awareness so that we can start to recognize these patterns that come up in our lives.
Lisa Thomas (08:50):
Oftentimes when negative patterns consistently repeat, right? It's very hard to see outside of ourself. Fair enough. It just really is because we're in it, we're in the trauma of it. We're in the grief of it. We're in the sadness of it. And it doesn't mean that you're walking around consciously aware of being a victim. But what happens on the subconscious level is it really believes that you're a victim to everything else and everyone else. So something that I like to do when I'm, I'm using the word triggered. So it's when all of a sudden something impacts me in a negative way - it could be anything - it could be somebody on the, on the freeway. It could be one of my kids say something to me that just throws me off or my spouse, is I'm in the habit now - and that's taken a long time - of pausing. And I ask myself two questions. What is this feeling or emotion showing me?
Lisa Thomas (09:54):
What is it that I need to let go of? What is it I might need to begin to do? Now I love asking questions out loud. And the reason I like asking questions out loud, go into the bathroom, the bathroom is the best place to go when you've got kids and you need privacy and whisper it, speak it out loud, find the three minutes to yourself and then I want you to pause, ask the question and pause. So instead of being reactory in the trigger, find a place to escape to, ask the question to yourself. Everyone has guardian angels, whether you believe it or not. In fact, you don't have to believe anything I say, right? But know that the universe does want to support you even in the very worst times and when you speak these questions out loud and you pause, you will be surprised within that moment or within an hour or later in the day, you will have a greater awareness of what it's really trying to show you.
Josephine Atluri (11:03):
That's just, I love it. It's it's as if someone were speaking back the words that I often like to speak, and I'm always know, I always put the idea of the, the power of the pause within the context of my work with the fertility world and, and how we have to sort of, we get caught in this single-minded focus of trying to become a parent that we forget to take these moments, to pause and to reevaluate where we're at, what we can actually handle, how we're feeling in the process and what we need to nourish ourselves. So you actually take it a step further and say the questions out loud. I often will just say the questions in my head, but this is kind of like taking that next step of journaling. You know, I always say, well, I'm thinking about these things in my head. And then it became a totally different scenario when I actually just wrote things out, right? And I imagine the same can be said, when you verbalize it.
Lisa Thomas (12:09):
It activates the subconscious. And also our words are vibrational energy that goes out. So there's three reasons. It activates the subconscious to talk out loud. It connects that brain, the brain patterns or the brain, the right and left hemisphere. The other thing it does is it, when you speak out loud, it gives your guardian angels permission to help you. So see they're in our life so that something doesn't happen that takes your life early. They're there to help bring things to you, but they can never, ever, ever take away free will. That would again go against universal law. So when you ask them out loud for help like that, think of them like doing a happy dance. They are, they're just waiting to be asked for help. And, and the third thing it does is it sends that vibrational energy out. So when we speak something, this is why hypothetically and it's happened. Somebody will speak a new invention out loud. Maybe they only speak it to one person in their home. A year later in Australia, it's already developed because see, we pick up these thoughts and vibrational energies subconsciously. So when you speak this out loud, then it just, it, it activates a response from the universe.
Josephine Atluri (13:35):
I had an experience with that, that I have to share with you, Lisa. I met with this (many years ago), but this person, it was at a wellness conference and I just had 15 minutes with her. She's a coach and I was telling her what my visions were of my future and one of the things that I wanted to do is to write and, and, you know, I had some, I was feeling very like blocked by that and I didn't feel like I was ready for that path, I was sort of limiting myself, and she told me to say out loud that I am a writer. And then it just progressively, we said it louder and louder until I was screaming it in this like wellness, this room of like other, other things and I said it, I said, I am a writer. I screamed at the top of my lungs. I will never forget it. I have a book coming out in July (my first one) and I think about that moment where I thought that I didn't allow myself to think these things, to have that energy within me, but you know, when you talked about how saying it out loud creates that energy sends that out and all those things, it just brought me back to that moment. I love that.
Lisa Thomas (14:51):
I love it too. It's a great example to show how things can begin to shift just with the mind, right? Because there are inherited very real inherited patterns of being afraid to write. Afraid to learn. It can be there are inherited fears around public speaking, right? Those can be released. We don't have to live in that. And I do want to add here because it's really important. I love lineage and I honor ancestors. And the reason that I know that it releases from both sides is because in the beginning of my work, as I was awakening to who I was, ancestors of my clients would come to me and say, thank you. And they really taught me Josephine that, I mean, we've heard it probably, but that we carry with us what we can take care of on earth.
Lisa Thomas (15:53):
We don't have to carry stuff. We don't have to carry the unforgiveness. We don't have to carry the trauma. And the last thing around it is that there's nobody at fault here. Nobody's at fault. This isn't the time to now blame mom and dad or grandpa for losing a family fortune or whatever. It just happens. And we all do it and you're not doing anything wrong as it gets passed down to your own children. We don't agree to come to earth without a knowingness of what we're agreeing to, which means we can deal with it and we can choose to release it. Yeah.
Josephine Atluri (16:33):
Yeah. There's always that choice. I want to just, you know, quickly, I think I'm taking this for granted that people who are listening understand the concept of energies, but perhaps they don't. So if you quickly describe what you're talking about when you're talking about energy healing or just releasing energies.
Lisa Thomas (16:53):
My favorite topic. Absolutely. And it makes sense because we can't see, we, it's very hard oftentimes to believe what we cannot see. So let's go back just 200 years ago where doctors - patients were dying because they weren't washing their hands. They weren't changing their gowns. And they had a really hard time believing because they couldn't see that there were germs. It was a big thing then, right? But now we know that. We know technology has proven to us that just because we can't see it a certain time doesn't mean it doesn't exist. And the other favorite analogy of mine is I've always loved the character in Charlie Brown Pig-Pen. And I always thought he got a bad rap, okay? And now I get it. So I use the analogy of Pig-Pen in Charlie Brown, as that he's carrying around with him, a dust cloud, he's walking around in this dust cloud.
Lisa Thomas (17:55):
Now, from my perspective, what that's doing is it's blocking the soul from seeing out and really recognizing who we are. And then when I go in and well the person's body does it, but when the body subconscious releases this vibrational energy, it allows others to see him for who we are. For who they are. How often have we been in life, where we feel misunderstood. We feel like people don't see us. We hold back in what we want to say and speak up about because nobody ever gets us. A vibrational energy is just a frequency that is not seen by the human eye. So every word in the dictionary, Josephine has a frequency. It's a megahertz, but I have found in my work, it doesn't, the subconscious does not relate with frequency or megahertz. What is 450 megahertz that's blocking block, blah blah blah dot dot dot, right?
Lisa Thomas (18:53):
The subconscious, we work in emotion. We work in life. We work through experiences that every one of the words has a megahertz attached to it. So for example, love is a very high frequency - shame is the lowest frequency. And so that vibrational energy that I love releasing is the low frequency. And then what happens is the soul that's who we are all right, is able to manifest more presently. It's able to move into the real, really connect with the physical body and heal those things that even on a physical level, on that level, when we heal the emotional part, it will help heal things physically.
Josephine Atluri (19:34):
Mm gotcha. Thank you for going into that introduction into energy. For me, it makes sense. I mean, and I understand, you know, energies and stuff, but I thought, well, wait a second, maybe the listeners don't really understand that. And so you already mentioned just now this idea of healing and many of the listeners are trying to conceive. Many of them use the reproductive therapies and you know, myself included, so through that process, you deal with a lot of pain, with a lot of loss, a lot of grief. I'd love your advice on beginning that process of healing from experiences like that.
Lisa Thomas (20:20):
Yeah. And I've had clients that have gone through this process, in fact I have now. There are a lot of things. I'm going to put it into it's, it's complicated, not it's complicated because it involves a lot of different aspects of life. So for example, there can be an inherited belief as a woman that we are not enough if we can not conceive. That somehow it's our fault. Then somehow then as we're going through it, that it's a weakness that we're giving into this or that we have to wait for this. And many women will wait, right? Until it's becoming almost too late. And what happens with when we reach a certain age for women, time seems to be of a panic for them. There's this urgency in time. And when we are experiencing this anxiety and urgency, it's, it's harder to conceive just on its own, right?
Lisa Thomas (21:16):
It just is. But the thing that I have really come to understand, and in this process is that is to one shift, the concept shift the first thing that it's a weakness. And to realize that 200 years ago, this wasn't an option. Both of my grandmothers could not conceive. Now, there wasn't even a way to find out if that was theirs or their spouses, right? So they both adopted. My mother is adopted. They caused great pain in their life, not to conceive, because the role of a woman at that time was about family a hundred percent, right? And so their worth was valued on that. Those things pass down to us. So first, recognize that if you're thinking about doing this, that you were born in the 20th century for a reason. It is a gift to be able to do this, that it's not a weakness. It is truly an empowering gift to take action.
Josephine Atluri (22:25):
I love how you framed it in that light because you're right. There is so much shame associated with it and it's so intertwined into one's identity as a woman, but looking at it from the lens of, you know, this ability to be able to make this choice puts it in a better perspective. And it's all about mindset, especially as you go further and further down the line of this journey. So thank you for that. And the next question I had as I was perusing through your site it caught my eye was about forgiveness.
Josephine Atluri (23:11):
I had to go there. There's someone who's trying to grow their family, or even for someone who's already a parent, there are many experiences that call for forgiveness. And in my personal inner work, I had to learn how to forgive myself and give myself grace and compassion. And that just took so much time. But it was once I finally got it, it was so freeing. So for our audience that may have never gone through this process before. I'd love for you to share with us your views on forgiveness, how it starts with oneself and how that translates into forgiveness of other people in their lives.
Lisa Thomas (23:50):
Yeah, that's a, it's a great question because forgiveness is an action verb. And when we're caught in trauma, it's very hard just own that that is hard to take action to forgive. And the hardest person to forgive is yourself. Because even though let's say we've been a victim of abuse, physical abuse child abuse, right? We still on some level, even though as an adult, we know it wasn't our fault. We are still impacted by that seven year old age where we feel like we could have done something. And then what if we spoke up and, and we were shamed for it and said, they didn't believe us. You know, it gets really complicated in this. And so how about if we go from there to an easier way to begin, all right. And I've got a tool. I have a tip. You're going to talk out loud.
Lisa Thomas (24:46):
So write this one down. So what you do is I'm going to use the example that somebody flips you off on the freeway or cuts you off because that's usually an instance where you get angry. What I want you to do is count to 12 out loud and you don't have to count slow. It's 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12. And then you're going to speak. I forgive you driver for being inconsiderate, rude, and, and doing that. Now here's the practice part. I forgive myself for being annoyed. I forgive myself for being impacted in a negative way, and I choose to let this go.
Lisa Thomas (25:31):
Okay. Because what it does is it really teaches us that we have to do, it's easier to do it in the moment, everybody. And just start practicing with that now in the present tense. So your spouse comes home, you've been waiting all day for him to help with the kids or to take you out to eat or something. And he just pops down in front of the TV, find a quiet spot, speak it out, count to 12 and say, I forgive you, George, right? For ignoring me when I needed you. I forgive. Now this will catch you off guard here. I forgive myself for being, for being disappointed. Now on a subconscious level, when we get disappointed about something, we hold ourselves responsible, even though we are also blaming somebody else for it. Does that make sense, Josephine?
Josephine Atluri (26:30):
No. Oh, I love this. I'm going to try this today. But then as you were doing the example of, of the spouse coming home, and then, you know, I understand the part of saying that you forgive them for coming in and doing that. Then the next part though, I can find, I can understand people having difficulty with that.
Lisa Thomas (26:52):
Super hard.
Josephine Atluri (26:53):
You know, you're forgiving yourself because I mean, it comes down to a lot of, well, at least in that instance, it comes down to a lot of expectations that you have. And, you know, I find lately I've been thinking about expectations a lot is the sort of the cause of a lot of unnecessary anxiety and stress that I put upon myself. So in that situation, you're, you know, you're forgiving yourself for having those thoughts. And I guess the next part is sort of what would be your next step in that situation be.
Lisa Thomas (27:31):
If you practice this, it gets easier because it teaches your subconscious to just relax a little bit now, you know, and on my website I have a set of audiosJosephine, called Forgiveness. It's called the Forgiveness Series. There are three hours of content that you literally just plug into your ears and the subconscious connects with it and releases it because it gets complicated in forgiveness. One, you can literally inherit from your lineage, the pattern of being unforgiving, unforgiving of yourself, unforgiving of others. So that is what one whole audio is. Now, this is the one set of audios that it requires participation where you pause it and you speak something out loud, okay? There really is. And you can relisten to these, but what it does in assisting you is it releases the vibrational energy state. Then the second one is on forgiving those people in our life that have hurt us, it can be the bully at school.
Lisa Thomas (28:43):
It can be the boyfriend that got you pregnant and left. It can be forgiving yourself around abortion. It can be forgiving yourself that actually actually hold on because the third one is about all, about forgiving yourself. How many times have we done something in our life, younger years, that we understand consciously why we did it, but it still bothers us. That's what you forgive yourself about. And it brings those awarenesses to you. The whole thing is, is about bringing them to your awareness and then having you speak it. And then I go in there, cause you'll be connected to my voice by the third part of it, and release vibrational energies that trip it up, that causes to hold that from forgiving ourselves.
Josephine Atluri (29:27):
Fascinating. I think I'm going to have to delve into that one. You know, I, I always try to provide the listeners with actionable tips from our guests. And I know you've given us so many great words of wisdom already and some tips already, but I'd love for you to share before we end our conversation just something that, one tip on how they can respond to life in a more mindful way based on the work that you do.
Lisa Thomas (29:57):
Become more aware. And know that it is you and your divine, right, to, you know, live your purpose to be, to do and be what you believe you came to earth to do. So be aware of what's holding you back. You don't have to know the answer to that, but you have to be aware. And the very best thing is you have to begin to take action in it. You're not a victim, nobody's a victim, even though sometimes it feels like it.
Josephine Atluri (30:24):
Wonderful. Thank you for sharing that. I'm all about tapping into our awareness and then we can really start to access that clarity that comes with it. And I always ask my guests to share a gratitude just as an example of how we can shift our energy from negativity to positivity. So feel free to share yours for today, Lisa.
Lisa Thomas (30:47):
Well, I'm grateful to be here with you. I'm grateful that we met and we connected so well, Josephine. And I'm really grateful for my life. I've never been happier in my life. I've never been so fulfilled as I am right now and the first half of my life wasn't that way. And so really I'm grateful that there isn't a time period to when change can take place. I I'm really grateful to be born now.
Josephine Atluri (31:14):
I really, I dig that gratitude. Well, the first that we connected and we back a couple of weeks ago, that was wonderful, but that gratitude of being in a wonderful spot in your life, because you're doing, you're fulfilling your passion and your purpose. I can totally relate to that. So Lisa, if you can share with the audience, how they can connect with you, where they can learn more about you - I'd love for you to share.
Lisa Thomas (31:42):
Well, you can go to my website, it's lisathomasenergyhealing.com. And on there I have a private Facebook group and it's a long name, but you'll see the, the Facebook logo on my, on my website, but it's Releasing Inherited Emotional DNA as my private Facebook group. I go in there on a weekly basis. I talk about stuff like this, but I also talk about how, what the world is like right now and what we can do and that might be of great value to you. I do visualizations in there that really help connect the subconscious to the conscious mind. I'd love to have you part of my world.
Josephine Atluri (32:23):
Amazing. I joined it after the wellness event so I highly recommend for our listeners to go and check it out on Facebook and also to see your website for more information. Well, thank you so much again, Lisa, it was such a pleasure connecting with you and hearing these wonderful explanations for so many different topics that are applicable to all the different parts of our life.
Lisa Thomas (32:46):
Thank you.
Josephine Atluri (32:47):
Thank you for listening to today's episode of the Responding to Life podcast. For more info on today's guest, check out the episode summary. I'd love to connect with you more, so be sure to check out my website, respondingtolifepodcast.com for links to previous episodes, articles I've written, and interviews I've done on mindfulness, meditation, infertility and parenting. You'll also find free video meditations on my site and on my YouTube channel, Josephine Atluri Meditation. If you'd like to book a one-on-one session with me, you can do so on the website. You can also follow me on Instagram @josephineratluri for daily inspiration and mindfulness tips. Finally, I'd love for you to join my Facebook groups, to connect with a supportive community and receive greater insight on how to incorporate mindfulness into your life. Check out the Mindful Parenting Group with Josephine Atluri or the Empowering Your Fertility Group. Thanks again for tuning in today. I look forward to sharing more conversations with you on how to respond to life in a more mindful way.